Historian: Correcting The Myths of The Electoral College | Tara Ross | POLITICS | Rubin Report


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Our government mandated education is controlled by the left. Of course they leave history and government out of education.

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain – that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”
― Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

Great video. Interesting to see the cognitive dissonance and the rationalisation of the Electoral College two people can have.

we changed the way we select Senators and this eliminated a check and Balance against the people.Look it up and discuss amongst yourselves.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are amazing documents that should be mandatory 1 year learning in our schools…. with a passing score required to graduate 10th grade.

As for voting, I think we should start by NOT recognizing time zone changes. 9:00 AM ~ 9:00 PM and we just deal with it.

Argument against the Electoral College:

1: The EC is tool that attempts to alleviate the fear of state succession, and that fear is outdated today.
2: the EC’s use of ‘winner take all’ effectively nullifies the minority vote in the state where it is used.
3: States ALREADY have representation through the house and Senate, and these elected officials are selected by popular vote.
4: The EC should be demoted to second place, and can used to break statistical ties in the popular vote.
5: Or, the EC should use proportional voting, so that minority votes can be accurately represented.

They had cannons on their private ships. The arms that British were trying to seize in Lexington and Concord were militia cannons, not muskets. Private folks had artillery in "Bleeding Kansas".

The only scenario that I see turning California and New York red again is an economic collapse brought about by our massive debt.

It seems to me that better title for this interview would be "Changing the Myths of the Electoral College". Somehow this political compromise of the 1780's needed to get the initial adoption of the Constitution passed is magical. Despite that it in no way pinned down how it has actually evolved since then. If the initial ratio between the number of Representatives and Senators had been maintained, it would serve almost no function to protect less populated states from domination of more highly populated states. Might be more honest to admit that given current politics and opinions that any modification to it would favor more centralized power with less protection of dissenting liberties.

Why should the default position be that the framers of the constitution got everything right? Well intended as they were, they couldn't foresee how society would change over the centuries. Hence, some would say, why they included in the document provisions for how to change it. America is evolving and so should it's foundational document. We can't for all eternity be bound by what a few upper class fat-cats from the 17th century believed. Maybe it's time for a radical overhaul. At least that's what they say, I hear…

Ok. Have a well armed military soldier with 1000 rounds of ammo and 1000 citizens armed with sticks and rocks and tell me who wins.

At 22:45 you complain about Larger area tyrannizing small areas, but yet the EC ROUTINELY tyrannizes minority voices (minority = losing vote counts).

Step 1: Take moral high ground by standing up for the voice of minorities.
Step 2: Destroy the system in which the minority's voice matters.

Tara: has anyone done an analysis on this…
Award electors by each congressional district, instead of ALL the electors from the state going to one candidate, and the 2 senate electors go to the winner of the statewide popular vote.

how would that system affect previous elections?

this republic is upside down the elected officials do not come to the people with an agenda and get elected in a true republic. in a true republic the people assemble in small groups being your neighbors discuss what they want done to improve their lives, set an agenda then elect a representative to find out how to make it happen, the problem here is society has been taught to be enabled. in a true republic each member is taught to be self-reliant first so the issues become small and easy to manage. today the issues have gotten way out of hand to manage so when the few people who do assemble are the ones with major issues that are to large for the few elected officials to be able to get under control so they play kick the can to the next generation. now when that generation that sees that this has been the game for many generations and says we are no longer going to kick that can we are going to address these issues they are so large there are not enough representative that know the answers that can act in the manner that the founding fathers established and utilized to create the one true founding document that is the instructions for each and everyone on this planet to be independent self-governing. we stopped reading that document, learning the instructions then teaching it to others. they established the "Peoples" law (exclusive equity) but we allowed ourselves to be enabled by lawyers, they established the "Peoples" bank (treasury direct) but we allowed ourselves to be enabled by federal reserve bankers, they established the "Peoples" form of government (republic) but we allowed ourselves to be enabled by politicians, they promoted the "Peoples" education system (family) but we allowed ourselves to be enabled by school teachers. all of these different titles that we have allowed to enable us have one thing in common they promote to know better than you as to what your needs and wants are. star trek had it right the borg are coming to assimilate you into the collective the largest conglomerate ever created in the universe. you can stop this by learning the instructions left for you by the founding fathers it is not to late. question would you create a system that did not benefit you, do you not think that the systems that have been created benefited there creators, then why not learn how those systems benefited the ones who created the systems and use that system to benefit you. (self-reliance self-governing) how do you get a corrupted system to go away "STOP USING IT"

one of the most sacred documents ever written by the creator transcribed by the founding fathers and the others who were not subject to the kings rule of law and this is what samual adams said to those who wanted to be subjects “The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but can only have the law of nature for his rule.”
“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May the chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen” it is not to late to learn exclusive equity jurisprudence self-reliance self-governing

There tollerence now is intolerance. We're in trouble and they want to take our 2nd Ammendment away so they can rule over us like the king did.

Slave owning founders get no respect from me, have a Black scholar on to go more in detail regarding the electoral college and slavery!

As a native of Wyoming, I don't understand why the residents of San Francisco think they should have the same electoral power as the entire state of Wyoming. San Francisco has no mining, no significant energy production, no ranching or farming, no timber harvesting, no hunting or wilderness tourism. What makes the people of San Francisco think they can govern or regulate activities they have no experience in?

In Australia we have the Floundering Fathers and Thanks For Nothing. It's part of our convict heritage humour. Australia the proletariat that got away.

Because of this video, I finally understand why we have the electoral college. This video should be mandatory viewing at universities. Without the electoral college a whole LOT of places would be ignored by the government. Farmers would sure be screwed, that's for sure.

Roflmao. The only reason women got the right to vote is to lessen the black Male vote… hardly anyone acknowledges this.

we need more states, we have too many big ones. Break most states in half, and states like texas and california into 3 to 5 states

It’s hard to ignore some fundimental flaws in the electoral college system.
First, every state, and DC start with an automatic 3 electoral votes, REGARDLESS of POPULATION. So there are something like 12 states in America which should have anywhere from 0,1,2, or 3 electoral votes but they all start at 3. Giving smaller, less populated states an automatic advantage proportionally.
Second, the electors of most states are “winner take all” meaning that as soon as either party wins 51%, they win the whole state. So 49% of the population can be wholly ignored. I see no rationale for the winner take all aspect of the elector system.
Lastly, if consider as I do, that the electoral system electing a president who didn’t win the popular vote as A FAILURE, then the system which elects the LEADER OF THE FREE MOTHER FUCKING WORLD HAS A 7% FAILURE RATE!
The electoral system is worse than mob rule, it’s minority mob rule. With strange rules where small states have something like 100,000 people per electoral vote, while the largest states need 600,000 people per vote.
Meaning the less populated state you live in, the more your vote is worth.
I simply think all votes should be equal, or at the very least as equal as feasibly possible.
(Side note) the only elections where the loser of the popular vote won the election were ALL in favor of the “conservatives” of the past. I think 2 Whigs won without the popular vote, and 3 Republicans. 0 Dems. 0 liberals. 0 anyone else.
Knowing that the Republican Party has factually less registered voters than the Dems, and independents, it seems very strange that such a relatively small group would keep having the system go in their favor.
I am not a leftist. I am a liberal libertarian. I have no party allegiance, as they are all
Corrupt scum fucks, I am however deeply in favor of the most representative government our republican can muster. And there are extemely basic changes that can be made to fix glaring issues, but the political machinery seems set in its ways.

All you have to do is watch a clip of Jay Leno asking people on the street questions about civics. I would be for one person-one vote if every voter had to pass a civics test before being allowed to vote. When I see the utter and complete lack of understanding of civics in this country, if we moved to popular vote we would become an untenable idiocracy. 99.9% of the people get their opinions from anything that Fox news or MSNBC or CNN say, with no depth of understanding of complex issues. College students cannot tell you what year our country was founded. How many people can tell you what is contained in the Bill of Rights? The Articles of the Constitution? More than half of millenials cannot even tell you what the name of our National Anthem is or how many stripes are on the flag. Most college students cannot even name all the states on the map. 28% of college students believe that Washington D.C. is in the state of Washington. Popular vote = President Beyonce. Oh, yea!

Without any animus, I suggest, for discussion –
What does Tara think about winner-take-all States? How about changing Elector apportionment to reflect diversity within states? Increasing granularity, to my mind, would improve participation. In the right neighborhood (or perhaps as a statewide fraction) a Republican in California or a Democrat in Texas might have their voice heard in the College. Trump would have had a few in CA, NY & IL Hill some in TX & other red states. I would consider it good if some part of each state was worthy of each parties' attention.

Ms. Ross is so articulate and passionate in the defense of our system of Governance as envisioned by the Founding Fathers. Why do such people never rise to the top in politics, and leave us faced with such poor choices of clowns and jesters. So frustrating.

Two simple statistics that qualify the importance of the Electoral College—In the 2016 election, Trump won roughly 2500 counties across the country. Clinton won less than 450 counties.

The founders prohibited direct taxes, i.e., property taxes, by the federal government, except in proportion to the populations of the states. The tax was assessed against the states, not individuals. Sections 2 and 9 of Article I.

I thought the best pooint was that none of this matters if you shift the power to state rights, city rights, or even better, individual rights. Then everyone can do what they want and let the best person win. We only need government for protecting individual rights and nothing else.

I looked into her PragerU video, just for grins. Now, maybe there's been some chicanery on YouTube's part…but the video has 4.1 million views and is nowhere close to the "most popular" video on that channel.

I should not be better researched than your guest. Very disappointed. The federalization of all laws began in the 1920’s when a man was hanged for an offense that was not punishable by death in his home state. It ramped up in the 1970’s when every family having a car and the ability of interstate travel became ubiquitous. Why are you calling her an authority if she is unaware of that or the push for social programs that put states in a situation where they could not run a balanced budget and therefore made them beholden to the federal gov, or the fiat currency made by the FED…that made us all bow down.

Civics should be required learning for all public high-schools. There is too much ignorance to how our system functions.

We were taught Civics when I was in school. My nieces have no idea because they don't teach it anymore. Americans have no clue how important the Bill of Rights is. Canada and Britain have hate speech laws. There are legal consequences if you hurt someone's feelings. There is no 1st Amendment. When the terrorist attacks happened in France, Macron declared a national emergency. Police and military can now enter your home or business without cause. There is no 4th Amendment.

The Supreme Court violated the 9th Amendment on HOW they ruled on gay marriage. They got the decision right but for the wrong reason.

Gay marriage would fall under contract law. Can two people make a business deal, which marriage is under the law? Just like any contract it must be executed until terms met or dissolved via legal process. What SCOTUS did was declare it a right. It is NOT a right in the Constitution and the way they wrote the decision it comes in conflict with the 1st Amendment. We saw Beato and some of the other DNC candidates already state churches, synagogues, mosques, etc…. should be made to perform gay marriages.

Great discussion as always….but you need to buy some larger furniture. Your guests look uncomfortable having to bend their legs at such odd angles.

Good discussion.
I am a Father of many. I teach,
Yes, the USA has the history slavery just as it had existed all around the globe for thousands of years. That the word slave came from the word Slav. A white European.
That hear after all those sinful years American
Is not where slavery only was, but at the bloody cost of 600 thousand lives
AMERICAN IS WHERE SLAVERY WAS ABOLISHED!
That is one of many injustices that the USA put to rest.
This is a great nation!
The greatest experiment in self governance in the history of humanity.

No electoral college…. then the East Coast and West Coast determine the fate of all. Not reasonable, not representative of a whole nation. Our Founding Fathers were brilliant. Where has that intellectual brilliance gone in our modern society?

Nothing is going to get better until we deal with voter/election fraud. The D's stole seats at the 2016 election, the mid-terms, and the special elections. This needs to be taken care of asap.

When the amendment that allowed direct election of Senators was passed, States lost their ability to check federal power.

Um, no, Hi ll ary did not win the popular vote. Everyone knows the study has shown that google manipulated, and influenced between 10 – 22 million votes toward Hil lary.

I've got the bell on "all" but I still never get notified when these videos go live… Good thing I check up on the videos channels I've subscribed to.

she's so incredibly knowledgeable. So glad you posted the entire interview. What is the link of the video She recorded that had 60 Million views?

The states can choose to apportion their electoral college votes proportionally to how their districts vote. If they did that the popular and electoral colleges would have never disagreed. And it's constitutional.

What I want is to get the House to adhere to the constitution and have one representative per 50,000 people. We stopped growing the House just because the room was full. How dumb a reason is that? With modern technology we don't need to have every member of the house in DC at all. They can stay near their constituents. You could personally get some of your representatives time, you could tell them what you think about what they are voting on. You know, a real representative democracy.

I was one of the people pissed off about the electoral college after the 2016 election, and I have to say….this interview completely elucidated the subject and I'm now on board. Thanks for having her on, Dave.

The electoral college makes a campaign have to focus on swing states in order to get more votes. That way a candidate has to pay attention to states that are leaning one way or the other. Especially the battleground states where an election is going to be close.

She's right that it may be the best way, but I live in Illinois. It will make no sense for me to vote Trump in 2020 because Illinois is so far blue that it won't matter. I feel like I have no say in the matter. Then again, life isn't fair and I won't cry about it like a whiny liberal.

I'd love an Electoral College for big states.. that's an AMAZING idea. I live in Texas and the Austin ideals are going to ruin us eventually.

I prefer popular votes that are EQUAL across the board in a democracy but because of the one and only geography issue, we need an EQUITABLE system for the American nation and certain states great in population and/or area.

The system of equity could be improved upon but the USA, as well as California, Florida, Texas, (my home state of) New York, Illinois, and a handful of others needs something like an Electoral College.

I am a fair guy though and there are some states, like Rhode Island, and Vermont, Idaho, and Maine, which are small by area and/or population CAN-and even SHOULD-have POPULAR votes that are EQUAL and NOT equitable.

We should sit down a bunch of mathematicians, sociologists, geographers, and other social scientists to devise a formula when a democratic state should have equal vote to an equitable vote and vice versa.

P.S. I wish the U.S. Presidency was selected by instant run-off voting rather than first past the post.

There was a time (and not that long ago) when California was Red and Texas was Blue. These things change over time.

When you look at the electoral college from the perspective of a federal government that is NOT supposed to be running everything, it makes perfect sense that high-population, urbanized areas shouldn't be dictating policy to other areas. The right of each area to govern itself must be preserved.

When it took days to travel a few towns over, localized loyalty was high. The Founders could never imagine people traveling the breadth of the nation in a few hours. As travel speed has increased, loyalty to the home state or home town has decreased.

I'm 32 minutes into the program and they are still dancing around the obvious- Mockingjay. There was a book series and a popular movie series- about powerful states making slaves out of other states. Ok- I'm simplifying- but there needs to be a SIMPLE explanation to go along with the Prager U video- and it could be that simple- hey, read this book series, or watch the movie. Because of human nature- if we became a pure democracy, there would be mob rule- there is no doubt of that to anyone who follows current events. Antifa- an organization empowered to be violent by Democrats. Violent civil disobedience- senators telling their constituents to rise up. This is madness. Oh, btw, a "pure" democracy killed Socrates. Another thing- had Democrats won, modifying our Constitution to abolish the Electoral College wouldn't even be topic of conversation. Postscript- I was one of the 60+ million people who was educated by Ross' video. She's amazing- wish she was getting even more exposure, hopefully as 2020 matures, she will.

There is no valid reason to argue in favor of the National Popular Vote in the United States, because there never was nor should there be a nationwide ballot.
A nationwide ballot would be exponentially easier to exploit and hack than 50 different polling procedures in 50 different states. Those making the argument for the National Popular Vote are (hopefully unwittingly) opening the door of more foreign influence upon USA elections. It would be much easier for Russia or China to subtly manipulate one big election as opposed to running interference on 50 elections. Even our neighbors Canada and Mexico would be tempted to nudge our National Popular Vote in their own favor.
What often gets forgotten about today is that the USA is a union of 50 states. It’s beholden upon the presidential candidates to win the popular vote in a substantial coalition of states.
Donald Trump won the popular vote in 30 out of 50 states. The “Blue Wall” states in the Rust Belt that Hillary Clinton took for granted were a key component that helped propel Trump into the Oval Office.

The argument that because citizens don't have the same munitions as the us military, there's no chance of being a threat is absolutely absurd. Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan.

If each state used the electoral college system in state election, it would be unlikely democrats would win much power.

too much power in one place makes it feel like no one has a voice… we were warned about the dangers of making a two-party system… we were warned about consolidation of power… but we don't educate ourselves and each other in history

I like the analogy that Tara used.
If you replace electoral college to minority and popularity to majority makes it easier to persuade others of the electoral over the popularity

If we went from disagreement and 0 movement post civil war, and it eventually got better; and currently we went from good to 0 movement, we have disagreement. The FED is designed to not move when there is disagreement. It is working as intended. I have no intention of backing anyone who compromises with these loony leftists. There is a line in the sand.

Yes, curse us stubborn people who want the 1st 2nd and other amendements protected and enforced. The stubborn people who want a border.

If the license plates are anything to go by, texas will be blue in 10 years. All from failing states, cali, newyork, pennsylvania, washington, oregon. Of course they won't change their politics. They flood into the inner cities which are certainly not equipped to handle that many people. They crack the infrastructure. Natually, the leftists that run the major downtowns don't care, they'll push as far left as any californian governor. I really fear for this country.

Well miss historian, we can track most of these changes back via population and it's pretty clear why california will stay blue. no matter what. Until and unless insolvency causes the ponzi scheme to fail.

Now this lady I like. I liked her from the beginning where she correctly pointed out that the only legitimate power the federal government has are those outlined in the constitution, and I continued to like her all the way through the interview. I wish more Americans knew the things she laid out in this video.

A better answer to the tyranny of the majority over the minority (or vice versa) is NOT better governance, but much less of it.

If one looks at state and local government, you will find they are at least as intrusive into the private affairs of citizens as the federal government.

States do not have rights. They exist to protect the rights of their inhabitants. When states are inhibiting the valid individual rights of men, it is appropriate for the federal government to step in and remedy that situation (if the apparatus of the state cannot do it itself).

The focus should always be on elevating liberty everywhere, not the feds versus the states.

I would be very willing to give up the Electoral College in exchange for repealing the 17th Amendment and returning control of the Federal Senate to where it originally laid,… in the State Legislatures and not with the passionate people who already had the House of Representatives. The founding fathers understood that Democracies ALWAYS self-destruct over loose fiscal policy,… so they gave the Senate to the only political body available which would be naturally jealous of their sovereignty versus that of an overpowering Federal government. The Progressives, of that era, knew exactly what they were doing with their trifecta of the 16th, 17th and 18th Amendments; murdering our Republic!!

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with a result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence:

. From Bondage to Spiritual Faith

. From Spiritual Faith to Great Courage

. From Courage to Liberty

. From Liberty to Abundance

. From Abundance to Selfishness

. From Selfishness to Complacency

. From Complacency to Apathy

. From Apathy to Dependency

. From Dependency back into Bondage

~ Alexander Fraser Tytler

18th century Historian and Jurist

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

~ Benjamin Franklin

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

~ Thomas Jefferson

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

~ Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

~ Thomas Jefferson

Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.

~ James Madison

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

~ John Adams

Mankind will in time discover that unbridled majorities are as tyrannical and cruel as unlimited despots.

~ John Adams

All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.

~ Alexis de Tocqueville

It is above all in the present democratic age that the true friends of liberty and human grandeur must remain constantly vigilant and ready to prevent the social power from lightly sacrificing the particular rights of a few individuals to the general execution of its designs. In such times there is no citizen so obscure that it is not very dangerous to allow him to be oppressed, and there are no individual rights so unimportant that they can be sacrificed to arbitrariness with impunity.

~ Alexis de Tocqueville

Our contemporaries are constantly wracked by two warring passions: they feel the need to be led and the desire to remain free. Unable to destroy either of these contrary instincts, they seek to satisfy both at once. They imagine a single, omnipotent, tutelary power, but one that is elected by the citizens. They combine centralization with popular sovereignty. This gives them some respite. They console themselves for being treated as wards by imagining that they have chosen their own protectors. Each individual allows himself to be clapped in chains because that the other end of the chain is held not by a man or a class but by the people themselves.

~ Alexis de Tocqueville

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

~ Alexis de Tocqueville

Americans are so enamored of equality they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

~ Alexis de Tocqueville

The man who asks of freedom anything other than itself is born to be a slave.

~ Alexis de Tocqueville

Even despots do not deny the merits of freedom; only they wish to keep it for themselves, claiming that no one else is worthy of it. Thus our quarrel is not about the value of freedom per se, but stems from our opinion of our fellow men, high or low as the case may be; indeed, it is no exaggeration to say that a man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for those around him.

~ Alexis de Tocqueville

I have long been convinced that institutions purely democratic must, sooner or later, destroy liberty, or civilization, or both.

~ Thomas Babington Macaulay

Democracy is the road to socialism.

~ Karl Marx

Democracy and Socialism are inseparable.

~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin

Democracy is indispensable to socialism.

~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin

The goal of Socialism is Communism.

~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin

Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods.

~ H.L. Mencken

As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

~ H.L. Mencken

What is any political campaign save a concerted effort to turn out a set of politicians who are admittedly bad and put in a set who are thought to be better. The former assumption, I believe is always sound; the latter is just as certainly false. For if experience teaches us anything at all it teaches us this: that a good politician, under democracy, is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.

~ H.L. Mencken

Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage.

~ H.L. Mencken

Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule, and both commonly succeed, and are right.

~ H.L. Mencken

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.

~ H.L. Mencken

Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses.

~ H.L. Mencken

Democracy encourages the majority to decide things about which the majority is blissfully ignorant.

~ John Simon

There exists no more democratic institution than the market.

~ Joseph A. Schumpeter

Bureaucracy is not an obstacle to democracy but an inevitable complement to it.

~ Joseph A. Schumpeter

It is not true that democracy will always safeguard freedom of conscience better than autocracy. Witness the most famous of all trials. Pilate was, from the standpoint of the Jews, certainly the representative of autocracy. Yet he tried to protect freedom. And he yielded to a democracy.

~ Joseph A. Schumpeter

By means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms — elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest — will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and it's highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.

~ Aldous Huxley

A democratic despotism is like a theocracy: it assumes its own correctness.

~ Walter Bagehot

This is one of the paradoxes of the democratic movement,.. that it loves a crowd and fears the individuals who compose it,.. that the religion of humanity should have no faith in human beings.

~ Walter Lippmann

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

~ Winston Churchill

We need to do the Electoral College state by state that way big California can't control the farmers what they do with their water La does not run the rest of the whole state. Seattle does not run Washington State

They really need to have civic courses in school again!!! But that’s just another way to have control by keeping us uninformed

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